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It's unfinished
Only 2 and a half pages
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No worries..I might finish it myself
I need it atm
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Give me half an hour
I just had 1 hour to write it...so let it be finished..ok?
You should have told me yesterday....just wait....
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go on.. 
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whats the topic? :|
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The house believes that politics should be discussed in schools. We tend to think that by discussing a supposedly dirty business like politics , we exploit the innocent mindset of young children; however, discussing issues of national importance makes the kids realize that they are a part of a nation and they must contribute towards bringing a change.
And what will bring a change, or a revolution? We should not expect the 'adults' to realize their wrong choices in voting from the country's situation; their brains are too rigid, enchanted and enslaved by the promises made to them by their 'favorite political parties'. Children, on the other hand, have a tendency to accept new ideas much more easily.
As for the reference to some specific children belonging to political families, well, there has to be someone who needs to break the trend of following their 'family traditions' in choosing a party to vote.
By encouraging such children to discuss political views in school, we can show them both sides of the picture and leave them free to choose one. In fact, they will have plenty of time to develop their ideas and analyze the whole scenario over time. Otherwise, these children will be brainwashed by their families into blindly voting for that one political group.
And what will bring a change, or a revolution? We should not expect the 'adults' to realize their wrong choices in voting from the country's situation; their brains are too rigid, enchanted and enslaved by the promises made to them by their 'favorite political parties'. Children, on the other hand, have a tendency to accept new ideas much more easily.
As for the reference to some specific children belonging to political families, well, there has to be someone who needs to break the trend of following their 'family traditions' in choosing a party to vote.
By encouraging such children to discuss political views in school, we can show them both sides of the picture and leave them free to choose one. In fact, they will have plenty of time to develop their ideas and analyze the whole scenario over time. Otherwise, these children will be brainwashed by their families into blindly voting for that one political group.
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izzahzainab
This house supports the above speaker but her supposition is wrong
Politics is NOT a dirty business...it's the BASIC NEED for the governing of a country and for democracy to show it's true colours
agreeing to the increase of "self-analysis and importance" in children
Revolution is not always optimistic...it can be the bringer of worse forms of politics
Adults..yes...the mindset is "obviously" for the cherry picking.....we know the basic instinct of man
Children are attracted to the new changes..yes..agreed but to actually make them aware of the bread and butter around them will definitely bring a right type of decision making spirit in a child
children belonging to political families....there is always a 95% chance to follow the forefathers..as we call the "Vadera" system or feudalism ..in crude sense
your last point is strong I can't think of anything to refute it...
This house supports the above speaker but her supposition is wrong
Politics is NOT a dirty business...it's the BASIC NEED for the governing of a country and for democracy to show it's true colours
agreeing to the increase of "self-analysis and importance" in children
Revolution is not always optimistic...it can be the bringer of worse forms of politics
Adults..yes...the mindset is "obviously" for the cherry picking.....we know the basic instinct of man
Children are attracted to the new changes..yes..agreed but to actually make them aware of the bread and butter around them will definitely bring a right type of decision making spirit in a child
children belonging to political families....there is always a 95% chance to follow the forefathers..as we call the "Vadera" system or feudalism ..in crude sense
your last point is strong
I can't think of anything to refute it...
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^Politics is not a dirty business, we just "suppose" that it is. Here 'We' refers to the opposing house ( Lol , my bad )
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But this topic is not the discussion of how dirty "politics" is^Politics is not a dirty business, we just "suppose" that it is. Here 'We' refers to the opposing house ( Lol , my bad
It's something else
But....you gave me an idea....lets start another debate on:
THBT politics is/isn't dirty business
What say?
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I am participating in a MUN too....and a debating forum... would be really useful.....People can share ideas,tips etc..
I absolutely agree with this awesome idea
I absolutely agree with this awesome idea
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then for tag
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im a debater..got 1st position in the contest in my school
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A statement of perception, really.
I think you mistook my argument. I meant "horrible surprise" as in something that would adversely affect their mentality and morality. If it was simply the adoption of a hostile attitude towards the concerned parties, it would in fact be a good thing. However, we cannot expect 8 year olds to understand the concept of bribery immediately. To them, it will probably seem like money solves everything!
Going with the flow, though, i disagree with the statement that an offensive attitude is part of human nature. This is where education, our morality and upbringing comes in. A well educated human being would easily be able differentiate between the different parties based on their "actions" and then protest against the wrong ones STAYING WITHIN LIMITS and not running around on roads shouting. This attitude isn't offensive, it's constructive.
Sure! I guess we all want the kindergarteners to sing "HAR GHAR SE BHUTTO NIKLE GA, TUM KITNE BHUTTO MARO GEY!" instead of "TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR"
Don't you think you're contradicting yourself here?
I'm afraid i wouldn't agree to that argument. Education involves the study of everything from Avagadro's constant to Ayub Khan's Martial Law (considering Pakistani students). Furthermore, our basic upbringing are quite enough to give us the sense to realize what's right and what's wrong. To a "great" extent, we can judge the actions of a politician and give a good decision.
I couldn't agree more. Politics is in fact a circus and all the politicians are circus members. Now, a person juggling on the ground isn't nearly as attractive as a person juggling on a jump rope 10 metres above the ground. Any person with common sense can realize that the person on the jump rope had to go through a lot more than the other one. Politics is more complicated but the basic concept is the same. We should learn to vote based on actions and not on words alone. Educating ourselves would be a good start.
THAT is a part of human nature. It's called greed. Morality is the only thing that can help make a decision NOT based on one's own benefit. Teaching politics to 8th graders won't help them make the right decision when it comes to this.
"Experience". Such a pretty word. Experience can definitely teach a person a thing or two about politics. So, don't you think we should let experience handle the political decision making and focus on educating students about what's actually important. I mean, brain drain is ALWAYS better brain IN the drain.
Hardly my friend. You mentioned yourself that the implications might exploit the mindset of children and then made no attempt to deny it. It kind of feels like we are pressuring the kids to learn politics in order to bring this "change". Funny thing is, we want children of elementary school to start picking up political arguments instead of Grid Blyton books. I'm not sure what is the point considering they have no chance of getting involved with politics before 18. Let's consider Malala. She made an attempt and you can clearly see the consequences. Not only is she in a critical state but is now being USED as a political weapon.
As i've mentioned before, this "revolution" is sure to be brought about by the youth because they are the future. However, this doesn't mean politics should be enforced in their school life. While i do agree they shouldn't keep a blind eye towards politics but the info they want can be collected off school grounds. School is a place that provides education so you can become successful in life, NOT tell you how to live it.
These traditions are barely alive today. People have enough common sense to realize the statement "Like Father, Like Son" and make appropriate decision. However, illiterate people can classify things as "money" or "no money". Obviously, they would vote for whatever is providing them with money not thinking of the consequences.
Read my previous post for the answer to that.
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No offense people but do you all, by any chance, think that the admins are stupid enough to make a separate session for something involving all bark no bite?
34 votes but hardly 2-3 people actually participating. It's quite similar to how voting is done in Pakistan. At gun point. In this case, the gun point seems to be a couple of likes, a few "thanks" and a show of activeness.
Seriously, why are you people waiting for hc to put up topics you people prefer? Just bring up anything you wanna discuss and actually try debating -.-
34 votes but hardly 2-3 people actually participating. It's quite similar to how voting is done in Pakistan. At gun point. In this case, the gun point seems to be a couple of likes, a few "thanks" and a show of activeness.
Seriously, why are you people waiting for hc to put up topics you people prefer? Just bring up anything you wanna discuss and actually try debating -.-
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To be honest u wrote what has been on my mind since the first day I made this thread
But still...atleast we learn
Unlike lazy geniuses like u ..we have a lot to learn and "BARK" about
Some of us...including me are idiots writing long debates and trying to learn what we already know
Btw I waaaanhtttttt people to bring in topics for goodness! And not a single person has done it!
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GetSomeLife
{quote: Hardly my friend. You mentioned yourself that the implications might exploit the mindset of children and then made no attempt to deny it}
I said that there is a tendency to "think" that politics exploits their mindset, which is wrong thinking. We are not exploiting their minds but are making them think over 'bigger' issues.
{quote: It kind of feels like we are pressuring the kids to learn politics in order to bring this "change"}
There is a difference between imposing views and discussing views. The topic is about discussion of politics.
{quote: While i do agree they shouldn't keep a blind eye towards politics but the info they want can be collected off school grounds. School is a place that provides education so you can become successful in life, NOT tell you how to live it.}
If not school then where? The streets? School is still a better and a safer place to discuss sensitive issues because the enviornment is regulated and monitered. Whereas outside the school the discussion can anytime become violent and people can turn out with weapons.
{quote: These traditions are barely alive today. People have enough common sense to realize the statement "Like Father, Like Son" and make appropriate decision.}
If a child grows up in a family who 'appreciates', for example X party or politician, then the child will automatically grow up appreciating X. And every household is somewhat biased to a certain political party. Only by listening to opposing views can a child develop mental strength to think against that party,
{quote: Let's consider Malala. She made an attempt and you can clearly see the consequences. Not only is she in a critical state but is now being USED as a political weapon.}
Malala's example only weakens your argument. She is the example of the revolutionary effects young minds with a political penchant can bring. She gained the attention of the world by raising voice against taliban. She is the inspiration of thousands of young kids in swat who have become even more passionate to gain education. Had she not raised her voice, the children would have grown up in an atmosphere of fear. They are now more brave and more determined than ever. This is the special thing about young minds; they are not aware of the consequences of raising their voice, they just do. And If people keep their mouths shut out of the fear of being shot, Heroes will never be born.
{quote: Hardly my friend. You mentioned yourself that the implications might exploit the mindset of children and then made no attempt to deny it}
I said that there is a tendency to "think" that politics exploits their mindset, which is wrong thinking. We are not exploiting their minds but are making them think over 'bigger' issues.
{quote: It kind of feels like we are pressuring the kids to learn politics in order to bring this "change"}
There is a difference between imposing views and discussing views. The topic is about discussion of politics.
{quote: While i do agree they shouldn't keep a blind eye towards politics but the info they want can be collected off school grounds. School is a place that provides education so you can become successful in life, NOT tell you how to live it.}
If not school then where? The streets? School is still a better and a safer place to discuss sensitive issues because the enviornment is regulated and monitered. Whereas outside the school the discussion can anytime become violent and people can turn out with weapons.
{quote: These traditions are barely alive today. People have enough common sense to realize the statement "Like Father, Like Son" and make appropriate decision.}
If a child grows up in a family who 'appreciates', for example X party or politician, then the child will automatically grow up appreciating X. And every household is somewhat biased to a certain political party. Only by listening to opposing views can a child develop mental strength to think against that party,
{quote: Let's consider Malala. She made an attempt and you can clearly see the consequences. Not only is she in a critical state but is now being USED as a political weapon.}
Malala's example only weakens your argument. She is the example of the revolutionary effects young minds with a political penchant can bring. She gained the attention of the world by raising voice against taliban. She is the inspiration of thousands of young kids in swat who have become even more passionate to gain education. Had she not raised her voice, the children would have grown up in an atmosphere of fear. They are now more brave and more determined than ever. This is the special thing about young minds; they are not aware of the consequences of raising their voice, they just do. And If people keep their mouths shut out of the fear of being shot, Heroes will never be born.
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hellcat and izzahzainab since you guys are active users of this thread i have a great idea for this thread...lemme know if interested