So.....is anyone watching Game of Thrones?

[Nabeel.Ahmad]

To T.V shows yes, that come to my mind right now but its done many times in other mediums of storytelling.

But not as beautifully as this. Every season has its own epic qualities. Have never been so impressed of any tv show.

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

Breaking Bad, awesome show.
But i really like Dexter. It is pure genius!
The character of Dexter.. is just amazingly created. Evil Serial killer who kills serial killers and gets away with it. O.O
For the first time i saw a show in which, the bad guy is the main character.

Dexter is not a bad guy, more like a psychopath with supposed justifications of killing bad people. More of a neutral character.

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

But not as beautifully as this. Every season has its own epic qualities. Have never been so impressed of any tv show.

Game of Thrones tops its and Breaking Bad. The X-Files as well.

 

[Nabeel.Ahmad]

Dexter is not a bad guy, more like a psychopath with supposed justifications of killing bad people. More of a neutral character.

He is not supposed to kill anyone. It's against the law. Bad people are supposed to be arrested through legal channels and departments like the police and then questioned and proven guilty by the court then sent to jail.
Not only does he kill people, but steals evidence sometimes, and has also killed a number of good people who were a thread to his secret agenda.
Yes, he is a psychopath.

 

[Nabeel.Ahmad]

Game of Thrones tops its and Breaking Bad. The X-Files as well.

Why didn't i find Game of Thrones good?
It has 9.4 rating on IMDB.
I mean, Dexter.. i got hooked onto it! (dexter has 9.0) (Breaking bad has 9.5)
Finished all 8 seasons in 10 or 11 days. Watched non stop!

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

He is not supposed to kill anyone. It's against the law. Bad people are supposed to be arrested through legal channels and departments like the police and then questioned and proven guilty by the court then sent to jail.
Not only does he kill people, but steals evidence sometimes, and has also killed a number of good people who were a thread to his secret agenda.
Yes, he is a psychopath.

He is not a bad guy but a neutral character. For e.g from video games, Scorpion from MK is a vicious killer who murders anyone who was involved in the killing of his family and clan. He does not kill otherwise unless under the influence of Quan Chi, which is rare. He is a Chaotic neutral character which is a better term for it. Catwoman is another example of a chaotic neutral character.And the Sandman.And Walter White.

 

[Nabeel.Ahmad]

He is not a bad guy but a neutral character. For e.g from video games, Scorpion from MK is a vicious killer who murders anyone who was involved in the killing of his family and clan. He does not kill otherwise unless under the influence of Quan Chi, which is rare. He is a Chaotic neutral character which is a better term for it. Catwoman is another example of a chaotic neutral character.And the Sandman.And Walter White.

They are doing the right thing in their own way. But if seen from the world's perspective, from the perspective of the police, the entire legal system of the world, they are wrong and bad.
Walter White started off with a good aim to earn cash for his family's needs after he was diagnosed with lung cancer.
But even after earning millions, so much money, that his family can live on for generations to come.. but he continues with the drug illegal business.
He has got his hands tied with many different and dangerous people.
He has also killed many innocent people. So he is a BAD GUY. Hence the name of the show ''BREAKING BAD''.. he decided TO BREAK BAD!
That's why i love this show. MAIN CHARACTER = GENIUS!

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

Why didn't i find Game of Thrones good?
It has 9.4 rating on IMDB.
I mean, Dexter.. i got hooked onto it! (dexter has 9.0) (Breaking bad has 9.5)
Finished all 8 seasons in 10 or 11 days. Watched non stop!

Start over again till season 1 finale and then tell me if its good or not. If not, ill stop trying to convince you to like it and leave it at that.

 

[Nabeel.Ahmad]

Start over again till season 1 finale and then tell me if its good or not. If not, ill stop trying to convince you to like it and leave it at that.

Okay, i'll give it another try then.

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

They are doing the right thing in their own way. But if seen from the world's perspective, from the perspective of the police, the entire legal system of the world, they are wrong and bad.
Walter White started off with a good aim to earn cash for his family's needs after he was diagnosed with lung cancer.
But even after earning millions, so much money, that his family can live on for generations to come.. but he continues with the drug illegal business.
He has got his hands tied with many different and dangerous people.
He has also killed many innocent people. So he is a BAD GUY. Hence the name of the show ''BREAKING BAD''.. he decided TO BREAK BAD!
That's why i love this show. MAIN CHARACTER = GENIUS!

Chaotic neutral characters are those people who have committed crimes and sins but have their own agenda and care only about themselves or the people they care about and no one else. Walter White falls into such a character. Catwoman commits crimes yet has her own agenda and helps batman from time to time. Sandman steals and robs people but only for the better life of his daughter and ex-wife.

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

A character is Chaotic Neutral according to the best known Character Alignment system when they fail to qualify for either Good or Evil but fall on the Chaotic side of the Law—Chaos axis. As with all alignments, this can mean many things, several of which are described below. Some characters may abide by principles that they consider chaotic or autonomist, others may not have any major consistent principles at all (not even if the principles are considered inherently chaotic). For example, one Chaotic Neutral character might be part of a tribe that considers itself independent and anarchist, where as another may choose not to be, as their lives may still be dependent on that tribe's principles (and as such they may not feel they are truly self sufficient or independent after all). But then, this ultimately varies and depends on what type of Chaotic Neutral (as enlisted below) the character is portrayed as in the story.
Typically though, Chaotic Neutral characters do whatever the hell they like and damn the consequences (unless they're too noble or hurtful, watch out for that part!). Some say they're the ultimate free spirits, others that they're just crazy. Either way, there's no telling what they'll decide to do next — their main, and often only, concern is their own freedom. Whose side are they on? It's doubted that they even know themselves. Nobody else does. In some ways their inherent uncertainty makes them an unknown quantity to deal with most times so they border on Jerkass in terms of their self-centered perception of the world, though they usually do have some redeeming features. Chaotic Neutrals detest the self righteous and believe in power to the individual. These characters are also useful in any story that involves something that isn't damnably black and white in the outcomes. Chaotic Neutral comes in a variety of flavours:

• Type 1 can be vaguely described as a true hedonist — they are interested in fulfilling their desires, and in pursuing their own interests. They have little to no respect for law and order, at best accepting it as a necessary evil that furthers these ends, at worst to the point they are prepared to commit acts that are immoral or outright criminal, avoiding a Neutral or Chaotic Evil alignment due to simply not being ruthless or malevolent enough. They are not evil because their desires are not especially evil (or they have too much of a conscience), but neither are they altruistic enough to be considered good, and they may hold both either in disdain or with indifference, feeling that to each their own, though most know better than to hang out with especially wicked types. At best, they are kind to friends, family or strangers if only because they find such behaviour personally satisfying; at worst, they are Jerkasses who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves, and are indifferent or blind to the rights of others.
• Type 2 are those who are devoted to a Chaotic Neutral ideal, such as an anarchist or a libertarian, or perhaps something just plain bizarre. They are prepared to work within a group system in order to challenge an establishment system or further their cause, which can sometimes push them into Lawful Neutral territory if they become particularly devoted (or fanatical). In practice, this can be a very tricky Type to maintain without quickly devolving into some type of hypocrisy, as it is difficult if not impossible to change or abolish the system without infringing on somebody's rights or desires and it is very likely that a new Status Quo will emerge, or rather that the old one will stay in place as these causes are rarely very successful (at least in Real Life). At best this type works towards the overthrowing of a genuinely corrupt or oppressive system and replacing it with something better, but at worst they can be lead into The Revolution Will Not Be Civilized or end up supporting a cause that actually makes things worse. They may also hold Chaotic Neutral itself as an ideal, seeing it as their duty to stir things up and make things less boring.

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

• A Type 3 is someone who rebels for the sake of rebelling, someone who is counter-culture just for the sake of it. As such, their beliefs tend to be shallow and they may find themselves in over their head, or be duped into The Man Is Sticking It To The Man. This sort tends to believe Cool People Rebel Against Authority, which conversely often makes them vulnerable to the influence of powerful personalities or particular fads that they believe no-one else is following. In effect, they have an issue or grudge against a particular authority practice or figure, or were simply aimless and adrift in their own lives, and use Chaotic Neutral as a cover to vent their frustrations or give themselves some direction. At best, this can be harmless or even lead to some beneficial Character Development, but at worst the character can fall under the sway of dangerous and evil people and perhaps become one themselves.
• Type 4 are those who are overly cynical, and hold no allegiance to anyone and decide for themselves what is right or wrong, and whether or not they want to do anything about it. They are often the disillusioned types who once held onto an ideal or have lost their family or friends, and often belonged to a completely different alignment, but others were cynical from an early age, often (but not always) due to a bad childhood. They can be dragged into The Quest or bought for their services, and may battle the forces of evil if they come across them or they get in the way, but they lack conviction beyond basic self-interest, and if they still aspire to better themselves they are usually their own worst enemy. They are often loners, though they may have a handful of close family or friends, and tend to prize survival highly with wealth, luxury and power often being mainly (though not necessarily exclusively) a means of ensuring said-survival for good, assuming they are not self-destructive or suicidal. At their worst can be completely amoral and indifferent to other people getting hurt whether or not by their own hand, but they usually have the potential to still be good people.
• Type 5: You don't have to be insane to be this alignment but it helps!! Literally insane, or close, these characters might actually behave like the Chaotic Stupid stereotype, or act by their own delusional logic that makes them unreliable, unpredictable and unstable. They are too caught up in their own little world or random whims to be either benevolent or malevolent. This can vary from a shallow joke character to deep characterisation, but the upshot in either case is that character's actions don't follow any sane logic. Just remember that the same does not apply to other kinds of Chaotic Neutral characters, nor does every insane character go here if they don't otherwise fit the description.

The Chaotic Neutral character may have a kind enough heart and even help out others sometimes, but they do not feel committed to helping others as they are random, and sometimes they are nothing but an amoral nutjob, not consciously thinking about the consequences of their actions. Occasionally, if a character runs the entire gamut of alignments with their actions (inevitably failing at Good), they can be classed as Chaotic Neutral on average. (But, they may really be True Neutral, Lawful Neutral, or they may defy traditional alignments all together.) It's sometimes hard to tell with these folks. Chaotic Neutral is both an easy and difficult alignment to play as. Easy, because its chaos and neutrality allows a player to do what they please, and hard because you really have to be careful about not annoying people when you can do whatever you want. Many players of Chaotic Neutral also have a tendency to end up in Good groups, playing Chaotic Good characters and doing things that are generally good, not just selfish — maybe feeling the need to Kick the Dog occasionally (even arbitrarily) for the purposes of a Character Check, to "neutralise" their Karma Meter. Many poor players also confuse Chaotic Neutral with "batshit crazy": a Chaotic Neutral character is not equally likely to jump off a bridge as he is to cross it, that would rather be Chaotic Stupid, and a competent Chaotic Neutral generally tries to avert being just that — although a player choosing to jump off a bridge is probably not all that interested in participating, anyway. In Tabletop Games, Chaotic Neutral is often the choice of players who want to do bad things when the GM forbids playing evil characters, perhaps breaking up the party and killing Player Characters for the hell of it. (Protip: Killing someone or generally causing dissent "for the hell of it" is Chaotic Evil).

This explains exactly what i am trying to say.

 

[Nabeel.Ahmad]

Chaotic neutral characters are those people who have committed crimes and sins but have their own agenda and care only about themselves or the people they care about and no one else. Walter White falls into such a character. Catwoman commits crimes yet has her own agenda and helps batman from time to time. Sandman steals and robs people but only for the better life of his daughter and ex-wife.

Yes, they have their own agenda. Even if they do BAD stuff to fulfill their own agenda, they still are doing BAD STUFF which is unacceptable. So the CRIMES they do, that's what makes them BAD.
Bad is someone who the police want to catch. Since, Walter White is a drug manufacturer and killer, they consider him BAD and want to arrest him.
But i see what you are getting it. They can be considered generally neutral; Sandman, Catwoman.
But Dexter and Walter White don't have a good side anymore.

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

Yes, they have their own agenda. Even if they do BAD stuff to fulfill their own agenda, they still are doing BAD STUFF which is unacceptable. So the CRIMES they do, that's what makes them BAD.
Bad is someone who the police want to catch. Since, Walter White is a drug manufacturer and killer, they consider him BAD and want to arrest him.
But i see what you are getting it. They can be considered generally neutral; Sandman, Catwoman.
But Dexter and Walter White don't have a good side anymore.

See my two long posts to really understand what i am saying.

 

[Nabeel.Ahmad]

''A character is Chaotic Neutral according to the best known Character Alignment system when they fail to qualify for either Good or Evil''

Some characters do EVIL STUFF.. but still have a good side!
That clearly qualifies them for the EVIL side.. since their crimes and bad stuff clearly outweighs their good side.
Dexter kills and murders people by a ritual. He slices them up into pieces and throws them into the ocean. He killed many innocent people. It's like, he has lost his humanity. DEB, is the only human, his sister, that he cares about. That is the only sign of humanity he has left. So he is pure EVIL.. since his bad side outweighs his good side (which is non-existent).
Walter White, started off with a neutral type. But as the story progressed, he got too involved in his business. He started doing illegal stuff. At first, he cared about his family which was a GOOD SIDE. But later on, he stopped caring about them. His drug business meant more to him as compared to his family. The Drug illegal business, the killing, consumed him and he became BAD. So he is qualified as EVIL. He decieved the Police, Drug Enforcement Agency and everyone around him. He kills, he lies.. How can that not qualify as evil? okay, he HAD an agenda to earn for his family. But that's gone now! He is EVIL.

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

''A character is Chaotic Neutral according to the best known Character Alignment system when they fail to qualify for either Good or Evil''

Some characters do EVIL STUFF.. but still have a good side!
That clearly qualifies them for the EVIL side.. since their crimes and bad stuff clearly outweighs their good side.
Dexter kills and murders people by a ritual. He slices them up into pieces and throws them into the ocean. He killed many innocent people. It's like, he has lost his humanity. DEB, is the only human, his sister, that he cares about. That is the only sign of humanity he has left. So he is pure EVIL.. since his bad side outweighs his good side (which is non-existent).
Walter White, started off with a neutral type. But as the story progressed, he got too involved in his business. He started doing illegal stuff. At first, he cared about his family which was a GOOD SIDE. But later on, he stopped caring about them. His drug business meant more to him as compared to his family. The Drug illegal business, the killing, consumed him and he became BAD. So he is qualified as EVIL. He decieved the Police, Drug Enforcement Agency and everyone around him. He kills, he lies.. How can that not qualify as evil? okay, he HAD an agenda to earn for his family. But that's gone now! He is EVIL.

Read the entire thing.

 

[Nabeel.Ahmad]

Read the entire thing.

I understand.
''Chaotic Neutral''.. Okay!

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

I understand.
''Chaotic Neutral''.. Okay!

Not evil but that. Everyone in GoT is neutral, true neutral, law neutral, chaotic neutral, its got it all.

 

[Nabeel.Ahmad]

Not evil but that. Everyone in GoT is neutral, true neutral, law neutral, chaotic neutral, its got it all.

So it's the best show ever?

 

[ZaMiN RaZa]

So it's the best show ever?

NOT the BEST but One of the best, its one of these points that contribute to its high quality along with high-quality acting, great technical achievements including visuals, sound and cinematography, many themes revolving around it, does not dumb down for audience viewership and keeps 90-95% complexity of the book series and captures 100% of its essence,every character is their own and is not a replica of one or another, writing and screenplay like no other, pacing is perfect and does not drag anything at all like most T.V shows (Supernatural, HIMYM, The Simpsons), everything is absolutely necessary for the plot and attetion to detail means to really focus on the show to really understand whats going on, kills off main characters meaning no one is safe etc etc. I could go on and on to praise the show but youll find out when you watch it.