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OK I am here not to argue or to fight but to discuss something imp! I am a Muslim too but with many doubts. Dont take my words in wrong or offensive way but to my opinion and understanding, I dont think its haram to talk to girls! ALLAH definately tell in Qura'an that a women should cover herself and lower the gaze when u see a man and the man should lower his gaze too for modesty. Now, if we think a lot over it, This Ayat meant not be in 4 diwari what u call in english the under 4 walls. This doesnt even tell that a Man is Prohibited to talk to a women; its main aim is to develop modesty. Women has been created by ALLAH and definitely, why would ALLAH created Women when they cannot answer, reply or talk to Muslim boys. What Holy Prophet(PBUH) used to do was that he would group up with men and discuss questions regarding Islam but women also needed advises from Him so He would also Answer women in group about Islam. So Holy Prophet (PBUH) is our example and we should follow him! and secondly Hazrat Abu Bakr(RA) tried to stop the girls from singing cox Holy Prophet(PBUH) was sleeping but Holy Prophet(PBUH) replied:" Let them sing. It is the day of Eid." Thirdly when Hindah came to apologize for what she did to Hazrat Hamza, then Holy Prophet (PBUH) said that I forgive you but plz try not to show urself to me cox i feel hurted for what his uncle has suffered. Fourthly everyone would be familiar with the necklace controversy. Hazrat Aisha( RA) returned back home with the companion of Holy Prophet(PBUH) when she was lost in the desert. Only Abdullah bin Ubbay exaggerated that thing and Holy Prophet(PBUH) was worried but Qura'an also told that Hazrat Aisha was innocent. And after the death of Holy Prophet(PBUH), Hazrat Aisha(RA) had long argument with Hazrat Ali(RA) about the unfair killing of Hazrat Usman(RA). Hazrat Aisha(RA) after the demise of Holy Prophet(PBUH), tradition ed may AHADITH and obviously the Muslim Male scholars got that Hadith from her. there are many more things to tell but You know what In every situation, there was opposite gender talks or discussions! Definitely a women should be in her limits prescribed by ALLAH but that doesnt mean that A women cannot salam a male person. What is SALAM??? Its not only for greeting but it also says that u remain safe like Salam means "Salamti ho ap par." Sorry for using urdu but this was an Important matter!! May ALLAH guide each and everyone of us in a correct way and we be save from Shaita'an(AMEEN)!
cyclone94, Ibtizam, gary221, Al-Anoud, 1357911, knowitall10, shazmina, cardude456 what u ppl think?? plzz guide me and if i ask very wrong questions, its purpose is to enhance my knowledge not to stuck u in trouble so that i can be guided properly
cyclone94, Ibtizam, gary221, Al-Anoud, 1357911, knowitall10, shazmina, cardude456 what u ppl think?? plzz guide me and if i ask very wrong questions, its purpose is to enhance my knowledge not to stuck u in trouble so that i can be guided properly
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who said that??"Even a smile is a charity."-Sahih Hadith! why cant they even talk??? tell me u saw Zakir Naik's show. A women questions a great Islamic scholar!! This is also Haram then right. No there is no sense that... then why women are created??? It would be a happy place for a single gender to live. Then u can not even talk to ur sister!! Then father cannot talk to his daughter or mother to son!!
to talk to is allowed, but not with a smile. Cuz this hadith is also there that Shaitaan is more active upon men. For this a single smile can cause gr8 misunderstandings, that may lead to some negative aspects...
but I would not like to argue more cuz Islam pay behes b nahi allowed
Ya but here I pass and accept smileys cuz we don't know what is the actual expression of the other person...
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to talk to is allowed, but not with a smile. Cuz this hadith is also there that Shaitaan is more active upon men. For this a single smile can cause gr8 misunderstandings, that may lead to some negative aspects...
but I would not like to argue more cuz Islam pay behes b nahi allowed
Ya but here I pass and except smileys cuz we don't know what is the actual expression of the other person...
ok but didnt Hazrat Khadija smiled and was Impressed on what Holy Prophet (PBUH) did for her business. She did TALK to even Abu Talib and proposed Holy Prophet(PBUH)!!!! I dont think smiling is bad. It depends upon all intention! A smile can just make other person feel happy in a good way and in a Bad way to but i said before Intention! It all depends on Intentions as ALLAH sees ur Niyaat!!! and the smile Hadith is a gr8 proof and it doesnot says anything like smile only for men or women! and ur Hadith, I need proof and it should be a SAHIH HADITH, Hassan Hadith is also acceptable here too
I dont mind that! Its ur opinion
ok but didnt Hazrat Khadija smiled and was Impressed on what Holy Prophet (PBUH) did for her business. She did TALK to even Abu Talib and proposed Holy Prophet(PBUH)!!!! I dont think smiling is bad. It depends upon all intention! A smile can just make other person feel happy in a good way and in a Bad way to but i said before Intention! It all depends on Intentions as ALLAH sees ur Niyaat!!! and the smile Hadith is a gr8 proof and it doesnot says anything like smile only for men or women! and ur Hadith, I need proof and it should be a SAHIH HADITH, Hassan Hadith is also acceptable here too
I dont mind that! Its ur opinion
Insha(A)llah I will give you the name of narrator too, soon
And you said about intentions, that smile is forbidden to prevent false intentions.. you don't know which way the other person thinks.
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OK I am here not to argue or to fight but to discuss something imp! I am a Muslim too but with many doubts. Dont take my words in wrong or offensive way but to my opinion and understanding, I dont think its haram to talk to girls! ALLAH definately tell in Qura'an that a women should cover herself and lower the gaze when u see a man and the man should lower his gaze too for modesty. Now, if we think a lot over it, This Ayat meant not be in 4 diwari what u call in english the under 4 walls. This doesnt even tell that a Man is Prohibited to talk to a women; its main aim is to develop modesty. Women has been created by ALLAH and definitely, why would ALLAH created Women when they cannot answer, reply or talk to Muslim boys. What Holy Prophet(PBUH) used to do was that he would group up with men and discuss questions regarding Islam but women also needed advises from Him so He would also Answer women in group about Islam. So Holy Prophet (PBUH) is our example and we should follow him! and secondly Hazrat Abu Bakr(RA) tried to stop the girls from singing cox Holy Prophet(PBUH) was sleeping but Holy Prophet(PBUH) replied:" Let them sing. It is the day of Eid." Thirdly when Hindah came to apologize for what she did to Hazrat Hamza, then Holy Prophet (PBUH) said that I forgive you but plz try not to show urself to me cox i feel hurted for what his uncle has suffered. Fourthly everyone would be familiar with the necklace controversy. Hazrat Aisha( RA) returned back home with the companion of Holy Prophet(PBUH) when she was lost in the desert. Only Abdullah bin Ubbay exaggerated that thing and Holy Prophet(PBUH) was worried but Qura'an also told that Hazrat Aisha was innocent. And after the death of Holy Prophet(PBUH), Hazrat Aisha(RA) had long argument with Hazrat Ali(RA) about the unfair killing of Hazrat Usman(RA). Hazrat Aisha(RA) after the demise of Holy Prophet(PBUH), tradition ed may AHADITH and obviously the Muslim Male scholars got that Hadith from her. there are many more things to tell but You know what In every situation, there was opposite gender talks or discussions! Definitely a women should be in her limits prescribed by ALLAH but that doesnt mean that A women cannot salam a male person. What is SALAM??? Its not only for greeting but it also says that u remain safe like Salam means "Salamti ho ap par." Sorry for using urdu but this was an Important matter!! May ALLAH guide each and everyone of us in a correct way and we be save from Shaita'an(AMEEN)!
cyclone94, Ibtizam, gary221, Al-Anoud, 1357911, knowitall10, shazmina, cardude456 what u ppl think?? plzz guide me and if i ask very wrong questions, its purpose is to enhance my knowledge not to stuck u in trouble so that i can be guided properly
Its not haraam....but if you start talking, then shaiytan comes and slowly slowly starts wishpering bad thoughts into your head. He doesnt do it straight away, Coz then u wont do anything. Slowly slowly he starts to enter your head. E.g-say you started talking to a girl, ok. One day your gonna ask for her fb name. Then after a few days her phone number. Then things can progress very quickly which is Haraam. That is my point of veiw
Its not haraam....but if you start talking, then shaiytan comes and slowly slowly starts wishpering bad thoughts into your head. He doesnt do it straight away, Coz then u wont do anything. Slowly slowly he starts to enter your head. E.g-say you started talking to a girl, ok. One day your gonna ask for her fb name. Then after a few days her phone number. Then things can progress very quickly which is Haraam. That is my point of veiw
AGREED
But I don't think such stuff is done in here... :/
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Insha(A)llah I will give you the name of narrator too, soon
And you said about intentions, that smile is forbidden to prevent false intentions.. you don't know which way the other person thinks.
but Niyaat again! Bad ppl have bad intentions right! Then Hazrat Khadija should not smile either! But Islam didnt pointed her attitude! NIYAAT its all the game that leads to Heavens and Hell! Holy Prophet(PBUH) almost everytime smile and then answer someone's question! It was in his personality! Everywhere I see in Islamic books, before inverted comas, its written He smiled and replied.........
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Its not haraam....but if you start talking, then shaiytan comes and slowly slowly starts wishpering bad thoughts into your head. He doesnt do it straight away, Coz then u wont do anything. Slowly slowly he starts to enter your head. E.g-say you started talking to a girl, ok. One day your gonna ask for her fb name. Then after a few days her phone number. Then things can progress very quickly which is Haraam. That is my point of veiw
but thats a Chichoorapun u expect from Bad ppl! A true Muslim knows when is Shaitaan trapping him!
Aly Emran plz note that Hazrat Khadija (RA) had not embraced Islam at that time, even there was no concept of Islam then! Man even the first revelation occured after that... And I again say YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER PERSON THINKS!
Yes Holy Prophet (SAW) used to smile but you will always notice that the person whom he was talking to was either his relative or a male... or a very elderly person.
Yes Holy Prophet (SAW) used to smile but you will always notice that the person whom he was talking to was either his relative or a male... or a very elderly person.
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AGREED
But I don't think such stuff is done in here... :/
ik...was giving an example.!!
No matter how good u are......Shaiytaan will find you and trap you.....Only the very pious people can stay away.....Shaiytaan made it his mission to put people astray...We are just too weak....!!!
ik...was giving an example.!!
No matter how good u are......Shaiytaan will find you and trap you.....Only the very pious people can stay away.....Shaiytaan made it his mission to put people astray...We are just too weak....!!!
NOT even the pious ones are capable of competing Shaitaan every time.
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True......!!!
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before Islam, Holy Prophet(PBUH) didnt did ANY thing wrong tooo!! and Hazrat Khadija knew who she proposed and how special was Holy Prophet (PBUH) anyway where gtting no where to the concept of this thread so do u ppl agree that talking to girls is Haram or not?
ik...was giving an example.!!
No matter how good u are......Shaiytaan will find you and trap you.....Only the very pious people can stay away.....Shaiytaan made it his mission to put people astray...We are just too weak....!!!
Niyaaat<-------- Im giving more importance to this word!!! We are weak but this is the test! U hve to live with good Niyaat and do good things not avoid cox u cannot control ur nafs!
Aly Emran I didn't say anything about Prophet (SAW), and as we were talking about the SMILE, do you remember that Hazrat Khadija (RA) send the proposal via her servant, she did not even smiled then!
Your question has a long answer with a some conditions added, yes talking to them is allowed but not creating fun I say...
Your question has a long answer with a some conditions added, yes talking to them is allowed but not creating fun I say...
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Book mostly say she went directly to Abu Talib too !! and Smile ah When Holy Prophet(PBUH) was about to depart from the world, he wispered in Hazrat Fatima's(ears) and she smiled and a companion saw that!! That companion later asked why she smiled and u know the whole story so i'll make it short!
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Aly Emran
Whatever you quoted and said is not wrong. MashAllah, you're on the right lane. But take this with our generation in your mind. Back in the day, women were extra modest, they were shy and talked to men only for purpose. Their tradition also recommended shyness. Yes, it is not written anywhere that talking to women is Haram. Talking uselessly for no purpose is what's not right.
For example, starting a conversation with "Hey! How u doin'" would eventually end up in "can I have your number, just to chat. Promise" or an argument where the two of you would blame each other of sinful deeds.
What we really have to put thought into is that, why is it, that we want to talk to the opposite gender? Both, males and females are blessed with intelligence, alhamdulillah. A male can always refer to a male for his problems, queries and questions and similarly, a female can always refer to a female. In this generation, the little freedom that we had has been used for the wrong purposes. Often, it is the women, who show their soft side and over-express their feelings and that's exactly what attracts the opposite gender. Men, on the other hand, were naturally weak in this sense. It's a woman who drives the man astray. And to prevent yourself form facing a huge Fitnah, I suggest the males of this generation just avoid talking to the females..
had we been present in the olden times, our hearts would have discouraged us any way..now, the world is open, media on the rise, fornication at it's max. The signs of the day are slowly appearing and like the Prophet (PBUH) even mentioned, there isn't much time left till the Day. The Last Day. So fear Allah, and refer to your gender. If, for instance, you don't find the answer to an important question, yes, do refer to the opposite gender only for that purpose. Ask your question. Get your answer. And leave.
As for the females of this society, instead of making males a fitnah for yourselves or making yourselves a fitnah for them, how about we give a little thought to our futures and Akhira. We are commanded to be dignified, wise and to the point. This only occurred to me after reading the numerous posts by XPFMember and badrobot14. You're sweet. And you can't help it. So you show your sweetness to the world. However, the question is: Are you sweet to seek attention? Is that what you're trying to do out there? What benefit will your "sweetness" give?
Males ask a question or try to talk, simple thing to do is: Answer the question and be stern. They'll get the message. Do not expose yourselves because that way, you're probably unintentionally showing your personality off. "A woman in a hijab is like a pearl in it's shell" I once read. Hijab doesn't only include covering your body, it also means covering and protecting your uniquness and qualitites from the dangerous world. Don't let anyone see your soft, tender side..what will define you otherwise?
Therefore, to prevent any sort of argument, we have to choose to remain safe. And in this case, the safest option would be to stick to your religion, your gender, and tradition..remember, none of us were brought up in this manner. Now, I'm assuming we're all grown up and smart enough to distinguish between whats right and whats wrong. You are talking to a girl/boy, if he/she isn't caring and is moving off limits, it's your job as a Muslim to warn him/her. A muslim's job : TO ENJOIN GOOD AND FORBID EVIL and that includes enjoining what's good for you and your society and forbidding whats bad for you and the society..
Ask yourself: What will happen when the men of this generation openly talk to the women of this generation?
And answer that question, yourself.
And Allah Knows Best!
Aly Emran
Whatever you quoted and said is not wrong. MashAllah, you're on the right lane. But take this with our generation in your mind. Back in the day, women were extra modest, they were shy and talked to men only for purpose. Their tradition also recommended shyness. Yes, it is not written anywhere that talking to women is Haram. Talking uselessly for no purpose is what's not right.
For example, starting a conversation with "Hey! How u doin'" would eventually end up in "can I have your number, just to chat. Promise" or an argument where the two of you would blame each other of sinful deeds.
What we really have to put thought into is that, why is it, that we want to talk to the opposite gender? Both, males and females are blessed with intelligence, alhamdulillah. A male can always refer to a male for his problems, queries and questions and similarly, a female can always refer to a female. In this generation, the little freedom that we had has been used for the wrong purposes. Often, it is the women, who show their soft side and over-express their feelings and that's exactly what attracts the opposite gender. Men, on the other hand, were naturally weak in this sense. It's a woman who drives the man astray. And to prevent yourself form facing a huge Fitnah, I suggest the males of this generation just avoid talking to the females..
had we been present in the olden times, our hearts would have discouraged us any way..now, the world is open, media on the rise, fornication at it's max. The signs of the day are slowly appearing and like the Prophet (PBUH) even mentioned, there isn't much time left till the Day. The Last Day. So fear Allah, and refer to your gender. If, for instance, you don't find the answer to an important question, yes, do refer to the opposite gender only for that purpose. Ask your question. Get your answer. And leave.
As for the females of this society, instead of making males a fitnah for yourselves or making yourselves a fitnah for them, how about we give a little thought to our futures and Akhira. We are commanded to be dignified, wise and to the point. This only occurred to me after reading the numerous posts by XPFMember and badrobot14. You're sweet. And you can't help it. So you show your sweetness to the world. However, the question is: Are you sweet to seek attention? Is that what you're trying to do out there? What benefit will your "sweetness" give?
Males ask a question or try to talk, simple thing to do is: Answer the question and be stern. They'll get the message. Do not expose yourselves because that way, you're probably unintentionally showing your personality off. "A woman in a hijab is like a pearl in it's shell" I once read. Hijab doesn't only include covering your body, it also means covering and protecting your uniquness and qualitites from the dangerous world. Don't let anyone see your soft, tender side..what will define you otherwise?
Therefore, to prevent any sort of argument, we have to choose to remain safe. And in this case, the safest option would be to stick to your religion, your gender, and tradition..remember, none of us were brought up in this manner. Now, I'm assuming we're all grown up and smart enough to distinguish between whats right and whats wrong. You are talking to a girl/boy, if he/she isn't caring and is moving off limits, it's your job as a Muslim to warn him/her. A muslim's job : TO ENJOIN GOOD AND FORBID EVIL and that includes enjoining what's good for you and your society and forbidding whats bad for you and the society..
Ask yourself: What will happen when the men of this generation openly talk to the women of this generation?
And answer that question, yourself.
And Allah Knows Best!