Dharna or no dharna???!!!

[Dynamite]

“Democracy is in the blood of Musalmans, who look upon complete equality of manhood [mankind]…[and] believe in fraternity, equality and liberty.”
― Muhammad Ali Jinnah
this sentence should b enough to say it all i guess.

 

[Wkhan860]

Lol ur bein Geo news
Evry 1 has his own point of view...nd its not abt schl its just a general conception....I knw tht during army rule there are always sm behynd scenes corruption tovwhch people remain oblivious....but our army deserves our support...ths guyx die defending us...nd just tell me one thng a guy who has spent 40 odd years fightng fr his people on battle field...can he be a traitor to his country
But yeah a guy who has always seen wealth glory nd a contend lyf...cann be a traitor....army leaders might be corrupt but I can nvr nvr accept tht thy are more corrupt thn zardari or noora....but ofc evry 1 has his own opinion nd maybe u hav sm examples abt army corruption tht I dnt knw

 

[Wkhan860]

[QUOisE="Dynamite, post: 868247, member: 86793"]“Democracy is in the blood of Musalmans, who look upon complete equality of manhood [mankind]…[and] believe in fraternity, equality and liberty.”
― Muhammad Ali Jinnah
this sentence would b enough to say it all i guess.[/QUOTE]
But Is the quality of our democracy same as tht quaid wanted....believe me the current democratic forces are worse thn any military rule pak has endured....im not against democracy...im a supporter of imran...but army is the best scnd option we hv

 

[Dynamite]

Well i do give respect to ur views nd opinions and this is democracy.
If you see ur class mate doing something that he shouldnt then u cant jst say that the whole class or school is bad.
same goes for this case aswell, if u see that a party whose on the charge isnt performing well then u cant jst blame on democracy on the whole
Army Of pakistan was and will always be respected.But its jst not their job to be on the throne.
Please don’t curse our ‘democratic’ rulers curse yourself for electing them.

 

[Wkhan860]

Who do u fynd apart frm Imran khan to be a gud democratic ruler.....none....we hav been made slaves of America.....India has been attacking us nd our PM has not evn issued a single threat or evn condemned it at least....ppl are dying everyday.....is ths democracy?
Just tell me who's a rele democratic ruler in our country...no one...ur rgt it's not army's job to be the head of the country but if ur rulers can't save u,if thy are enslaving u,tht it doesn't matter who's the head of govt... At the end of the day we want peace happy content lyf.....
I'm just sayng tht amongst the current system of democracy IK is best choice...if not him thn just fr democracy we can't allow sm1 to ran sake our country

 

[Nibz]

we hav been made slaves of America

By army.

nd its not abt schl its just a general conception.

A conception made by our schools that teach fake history.

nd just tell me one thng a guy who has spent 40 odd years fightng fr his people on battle field...can he be a traitor to his country

Yes, apparently.

 

[Wkhan860]

Go and get ur facts right.....
For once I havnt learnt anythng abt paks history at schl....
I dunno whether it's ur personal hatered due to sm personal reason fr army...but mA look at our democracy now...India is killing our ppl nd Noora nd othr are bxy eating nehari.....any army leader wuld hv nvr allowed tht...who ever made us slaves of army....ths Noora is gona make us slaves of India.....declaring ur enemy "best nation" nd saying to modi tht I'm influenced by u...influenced by a person who has killed thousands if Muslims.....I knw one thng no army leader wuld hav allowed tht...u need to sort our ur priorities nd fact regarding paks history

 

[Nibz]

You okay, man? Is your father in the army or smth? Or perhaps, your brain cells have become rusty from the lack of use, hence these illogical remarks.

If you knew even 0.1% of Pakistan's 'actual' history, you won't be saying these things. But oh well, you support Martial Law. So, it's not surprising.

 

[Glory Hunter]

Go and get ur facts right.....
For once I havnt learnt anythng abt paks history at schl....
I dunno whether it's ur personal hatered due to sm personal reason fr army...but mA look at our democracy now...India is killing our ppl nd Noora nd othr are bxy eating nehari.....any army leader wuld hv nvr allowed tht...who ever made us slaves of army....ths Noora is gona make us slaves of India.....declaring ur enemy "best nation" nd saying to modi tht I'm influenced by u...influenced by a person who has killed thousands if Muslims.....I knw one thng no army leader wuld hav allowed tht...u need to sort our ur priorities nd fact regarding paks history

chill keep convo calm

 

[Glory Hunter]

You okay, man? Is your father in the army or smth? Or perhaps, your brain cells have become rusty from the lack of use, hence these stupid, illogical remarks.

If you knew even 0.1% of Pakistan's 'actual' history, you won't be saying these things. But oh well, you support Martial Law. So, it's not surprising.

his brain is malfunctioning making kinematics report

 

[Rutzaba]

You say army people not corrupted... hello any body remember how mqm was formed ?
You say that the dollar was stable? Who wrote in his own book about selling innocent pakistani people abroad claiming they are taliban!
You say that the law and order situation has been settled back then... have you forgotten raymond davis? Black waterr? Lal masjid? Even bhuttos phansi.... maybe these bhuttas wouldnt have anything to cry about if there was noone hanged?

 

[Rutzaba]

I respect army alot... love them too. Many of my family members are there too. But do we have nothing to learn about how power brings about the worse in you.... specially when its a one man show
... when someone can veto anything anyone puts forward....?

 

[Nibz]

You say army people not corrupted... hello any body remember how mqm was formed ?
You say that the dollar was stable? Who wrote in his own book about selling innocent pakistani people abroad claiming they are taliban!
You say that the law and order situation has been settled back then... have you forgotten raymond davis? Black waterr? Lal masjid? Even bhuttos phansi.... maybe these bhuttas wouldnt have anything to cry about if there was noone hanged?

Not to mention the disintegration of our country into Bangladesh, and the atrocities committed against our Bengali brothers.
I had no knowledge about these things before, but now that I do, I think the higher command of the army has had a great role in the mess that we are in now.

India has had no martial law. And look at it now, competing with the world's best, while we, on the other hand, are counted among the worst of nations.

 

[Glory Hunter]

the fact is both has pros and cons so its better that we make Dua to Allah that give us a nice ruler like Hazrat Umar bin Khattab (R.A)

 

[Wkhan860]

You okay, man? Is your father in the army or smth? Or perhaps, your brain cells have become rusty from the lack of use, hence these stupid, illogical remarks.

If you knew even 0.1% of Pakistan's 'actual' history, you won't be saying these things. But oh well, you support Martial Law. So, it's not surprising.

I hav ho current relatives in army ...but it looks lyk tht u hv sm sort of close affliction wth Noora or Indians.....nd BFR jumping to my mental strength just hav a look at ur owns.....I knw way more history of pak nd the history of world thn u can imagine

 

[Wkhan860]

Nibs or whtevr u are....just get wht thng straight...if u go through my previous posts u will knw tht I'm not supporting martial law....I said IK is best amongst current democratic leaders.....
Nd atrocities carried by our army.....army had a part in it but in case u dnt knw Bhutto the democratic leader was the spear head behind all tht...if u hv a little knowledge of paks history nd accounts of ppl at tht tym u wuld knw tht Bhutto was the one who incited yahya khan to attack Bengalis

 

[Wkhan860]

I havnt said tht army leaders hav been angles.....they are humans nd prone to as much mistakes as any democratic leader is.....u can take into account the all masjid act,Bangladesh thng...nd btw bhutoos phansi is fully justified...the order was passed by the Supreme Court itself...without any influence frm army
Nd Raymond Davis? As far as I knw tht happened during zardaris reign

 

[Wkhan860]

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Not to mention the disintegration of our country into Bangladesh, and the atrocities committed against our Bengali brothers.
I had no knowledge about these things before, but now that I do, I think the higher command of the army has had a great role in the mess that we are in now.

India has had no martial law. And look at it now, competing with the world's best, while we, on the other hand, are counted among the worst of nations.

It's not essential tht army comes nd rule fr decades hav I said tht......instead of cmnting on my mental strength if u had used ur brain (which I srsly doubt u posses) u wuld hav got ann idea tht I nvr said tht an army ruler cms nd rules pak fr a decade or so.....
I stand by my cmmnt tht if not imran thn let the army cm nd allow a clean election free frm any sort of rigging

 

[Wkhan860]

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You say army people not corrupted... hello any body remember how mqm was formed ?
You say that the dollar was stable? Who wrote in his own book about selling innocent pakistani people abroad claiming they are taliban!
You say that the law and order situation has been settled back then... have you forgotten raymond davis? Black waterr? Lal masjid? Even bhuttos phansi.... maybe these bhuttas wouldnt have anything to cry about if there was noone hanged?

In case u dnt knw who supported America in helping Taliban form...an army leader?
No,it was benazir...u hav a gud knowledge abt mistakes committed by army...now let me tell abt sm atrocities carried by democratic leaders...Neglectance of Bengalis during floods in 1950 s nd 1960s, a security force made by Bhutto to torture ppl who go again this rule,formation of talibans by benazir,co operative society scandals by Noora, do u remember the qibla massacre in sindh by benaZir,hav their been ever mentions of army leaders havng large amount of money in foreign accounts..I don't remember but yeah Zardari has 600 billion nd nawaz sharif is the scnd richest family in whole Asia......
U talk of Bhutto..indeed he was a gud leader but r u aware tht ths man till 1958 remained an Indian citizen...infact chooses to remain an Indian citizen

 

[Wkhan860]

Mistakes hav np been committed by both parties...it's in human nature....nd both hav a part in our economic growth to...but if sm1 says tht army has a major role in the situation pak is in now....i srsly doubt their maturity level nd their intellect of pak history....
Or GPA was highest during Zias rule....economic growth higher thn India under ayubs rule...nd many othr achievements
I nvr said tht amprmy shuld cm nd rule a decade..but evn constitution allows army to cm nd hold a fair election..but in ths case,the present scenario IDPs govt nd current leaders evn a martial law will prove better