Islamiat Paper P2 Discussion (Post-Paper)

[Mustafa Abbasi]

Remember first compilers didn,t take authencity of Ahadiths under consideration ........in 240,s and beyong Bukhari and the coming generation conceived the idea of maintaing authencity....consider muawatta of imam malik was not authoritative or imam hanbals....it was not coz they musnads but they were .......u know doubts
However,the authencity may be credited and just may be credited coz compilation did not ensure authentic collection but rather rigorous btw links of transmitters and Ahadiths were the actual "things" tht authenticated them........
I wrote tht 1....felt the need to compile coz could not remain in oral form.....preserved in writing2.....companions would eventually die and no one to transmit new reports and in the better way the companions had...3.....exclusively the property of teachers who had to write them down despite of their amazing memory
4.......owing to vast literature and new issues arising like the expansion in other territories there needed to be guidance and an authoritative collection in one place i.e books so tht authoritative system of law ,final in nature, could be made.this served later muslim scholars like imam abu hanifa,e.t.c

i think authenticity is valid cuz the ques said " early Muslims" and didnt specify the dates of the centuries like 100-200 Ah,etc so i think its perfectly write.. plus i also wrote that compilers realized that hadis cannot be kept in memories alone, that compiling them would make it easier for Muslims to follow Islamic teachings...that if they didnt compile, ahadis might become mixed up resulting in disputes among Muslims... they also realized that they need tocompile hadis so future Muslims can solve challenging issues of their times be reffering to it.. lastly Prophet(SAW) himself encouraged them to do so , so they took it as their duty:"Preach What you hear me say...".

 

[maya <3]

i did "mention" it but gave examples proving how he is a role model as well!

yeah that's fine!!

 

[maya <3]

further add some more examples and points like practical demonstration of Islam, sunnah and hadith as source of guidance along with quran etc.

yeah. like the zakat with the quran and hadith etc. etc!

 

[M.Omar]

i think authenticity is valid cuz the ques said " early Muslims" and didnt specify the dates of the centuries like 100-200 Ah,etc so i think its perfectly write.. plus i also wrote that compilers realized that hadis cannot be kept in memories alone, that compiling them would make it easier for Muslims to follow Islamic teachings...that if they didnt compile, ahadis might become mixed up resulting in disputes among Muslims... they also realized that they need tocompile hadis so future Muslims can solve challenging issues of their times be reffering to it.. lastly Prophet(SAW) himself encouraged them to do so , so they took it as their duty:"Preach What you hear me say...".

am not talking abt the time...didnt u read....early compilers like imam hanbal did compile Ahadiths but why its not tht authoritative.its coz probably the Ahadiths were doubtful...u cant say they not useful for legal purposes coz i mean c,mon he compiled 27,000 Ahadths.....Authentication and compilation are quite diff entities .....Imam Bukhari(Rahmat ullah alaihi) was the first to conceive of such idea to make an authoritative collection and authentic collection...this is where u might be credited.....i mentioned it in the last point (4)/the need for authoritative compilation,Bukhari to first conceive of such idea (completely) to ensure authentic Ahadiths

 

[M.Omar]

didnt anyone consider fabricated hadith to be agood reason?

Compilation and authencity are diff entities unless u make a link between them....u can then be credited there

 

[Mustafa Abbasi]

Compilation and authencity are diff entities unless u make a link between them....u can then be credited there

well even if authenticity is irrevelant i still believe ill get full marks becuz i wrote 4 other points (1 page for ans).. so no worries bro

 

[M.Omar]

well even if authenticity is irrevelant i still believe ill get full marks becuz i wrote 4 other points (1 page for ans).. so no worries bro

trully hope so (for myself also)...

 

[Faizan Muhammmad]

Compilation and authencity are diff entities unless u make a link between them....u can then be credited there

but people like bukhari compiled specifically the "Sahih" for that purpose
so no need to even link that i think

 

[M.Omar]

but people like bukhari compiled specifically the "Sahih" for that purpose
so no need to even link that i think

yes he was the one to first conceive of tht idea,completely, and yeah now tht u have conveyed ...u can make a link or not ...it is valid....u r right..

 

[M.Omar]

well even if authenticity is irrevelant i still believe ill get full marks becuz i wrote 4 other points (1 page for ans).. so no worries bro

but people like bukhari compiled specifically the "Sahih" for that purpose
so no need to even link that i think

Ahhhhh,the good-ol arguements......kinda missing them already...how u 2 rollin,nowadays?

 

[Mustafa Abbasi]

Ahhhhh,the good-ol arguements......kinda missing them already...how u 2 rollin,nowadays?

Watching TV and playing Comp+Xbox.. Nothing else really.

 

[M.Omar]

Watching TV and playing Comp+Xbox.. Nothing else really.

I guess discussions will resume when the papers and the all important mark schemes are published

 

[Mustafa Abbasi]

I guess discussions will resume when the papers and the all important mark schemes are published

will marking schemes be published before results?

 

[M.Omar]

will marking schemes be published before results?

i dont think so,oct/nov resources were available here quite a while after the results