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[N.M]

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ٱدۡخُلُواْ فِى ٱلسِّلۡمِ ڪَآفَّةً۬ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُواْ خُطُوَٲتِ ٱلشَّيۡطَـٰنِ‌ۚ إِنَّهُ ۥ لَڪُمۡ عَدُوٌّ۬ مُّبِينٌ۬​

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O you who believe, enter Islam completely, and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Surely, he is an open enemy for you; (Surah Baqarah:208)​

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Islam doesn’t want you to be part-time Muslims, it wants you to be Full-time Muslims​

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[badrobot14]

(was reading up upon women's rights in Islam.. it's amazing how much Allah's deen takes care that they are not abused in any way.. Alhamdulillah! )​

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From Ali bin Abi Talib that the Messenger of Allah forbade temporary marriage on the Day of Khaybar.​

From Sabra al-Juhani that the Messenger forbade al-Mut'ah (temporary marriage) and said, “it's prohibited from this day till the Day of Judgment.”​

Both narrations and more are found in Sahih Muslim, the Chapter on Temporary Marriages

 

[FrostFlash]

^ and as for those authentic narrations which do permit it are from Sahabah who were not present during the Conquest of Makkah and so didnot hear about this injunction and thus went about thinking the practice was still permissible but as later narrations abbrogated the permissiblilty of this act and it was thankfully made HARAM...

btw the whole concept of this is weird and ewww and sadly it is practiced by some ppl even after reports from ALI : the 4th Caliph have been authenticated...

 

[badrobot14]

"The film (that Insults the Prophet (p)) is offensive because it misrepresents Islam. Senseless violence and murder is offensive for the same reason."​

 

[FrostFlash]

^Absolutely and Allah says: Surah Muminun chp 23 v 96
Repel evil with that which is better. We are Best Knower of the things they utter.

And Muslims must remember this no matter what that how much ever they try "....honour, power and glory belong to Allâh, and to His Messenger (Muhammad [sal-Allâhu 'alayhi wa sallam]), and to the believers...." (63:8)

And that all of this stupidity wont in the least degree affect Islam's image... Rather it will affect the Muslim image in society....
Allah says in several places of the Quran like in Surah Saff ch 61 v 8:
" They intend to put out the Light of Allâh (i.e. the religion of Islâm, this Qur'ân, and Prophet Muhammad [sal-Allâhu 'alayhi wa sallam]) with their mouths. But Allâh will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate (it). "

And Allah knows best...

 

[Soldier313]

(was reading up upon women's rights in Islam.. it's amazing how much Allah's deen takes care that they are not abused in any way.. Alhamdulillah! )

From Ali bin Abi Talib that the Messenger of Allah forbade temporary marriage on the Day of Khaybar.​

From Sabra al-Juhani that the Messenger forbade al-Mut'ah (temporary marriage) and said, “it's prohibited from this day till the Day of Judgment.”​

Both narrations and more are found in Sahih Muslim, the Chapter on Temporary Marriages

Aoa wr wb
i was reading about temporary marriage in Islam, and this is what i came across,

“We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to Banu al-Mustaliq. We were suffering from the absence of our wives, so we decided to have temporary marriage with women but by observing 'azl (outside ejaculation). But we said, 'We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us - why not ask him?' So we asked Allah's Messenger and he said, 'It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will definitely be born (and nothing can prevent this from occurring).'” - Imam Bukhari ( Sahih al-Bukhari, “Book on Types of Selling”, Hadith 2077, “Setting Free”, Hadith 2356; Sahih Muslim, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 2599; al-Tirmidhi, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 1057; al-Nisa’i, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 3275; Abu Dawud, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 1855-1857; Ibn Majah, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 1916; Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Vol. 3, 88; Malik, “Book on Divorce”, Hadith 1090, al-Darami, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 2126 and 2127)

Hope it helps

 

[badrobot14]

Aoa wr wb
i was reading about temporary marriage in Islam, and this is what i came across,

“We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to Banu al-Mustaliq. We were suffering from the absence of our wives, so we decided to have temporary marriage with women but by observing 'azl (outside ejaculation). But we said, 'We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us - why not ask him?' So we asked Allah's Messenger and he said, 'It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will definitely be born (and nothing can prevent this from occurring).'” - Imam Bukhari ( Sahih al-Bukhari, “Book on Types of Selling”, Hadith 2077, “Setting Free”, Hadith 2356; Sahih Muslim, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 2599; al-Tirmidhi, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 1057; al-Nisa’i, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 3275; Abu Dawud, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 1855-1857; Ibn Majah, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 1916; Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Vol. 3, 88; Malik, “Book on Divorce”, Hadith 1090, al-Darami, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 2126 and 2127)

Hope it helps

yup, It's Sahih authentic (and it's in sahih muslim, the most authentic book after Quran and Sahih Bukhari)... temporary marriages were prohibited in the year of conquest of Makkah... so if you find a narration like that it must be before that time.. Allah knows best.

Read for yourself :
http://sahihmuslim.com/sps/smm/sahihmuslim.cfm?scn=dspchaptersfull&BookID=8&ChapterID=542

 

[Soldier313]

yup, It's Sahih authentic (and it's in sahih muslim, the most authentic book after Quran and Sahih Bukhari)... temporary marriages were prohibited in the year of conquest of Makkah... so if you find a narration like that it must be before that time.. Allah knows best.

Read for yourself :
http://sahihmuslim.com/sps/smm/sahihmuslim.cfm?scn=dspchaptersfull&BookID=8&ChapterID=542

Imam Muslim narrates instances of temporary marriage being done at the time of the Prophet and gives clear reference that temporary marriage was lawful during the Prophet's time, the time of the first caliph Abu Bakr, and during part of the time of the second caliph—who was the one who prohibited it. Even after that time, it was still accepted by some Sunni scholars, such as al-Qurtubi who considered it as a lawful form of marriage and that it had been agreed upon by the predecessors and the successors (the salaf and the khalaf).-Tafsir al-Qurtubi, Vol. 5, 132; Tafsir al-Tabari

Truly Allah knows best

 

[FrostFlash]

Aoa wr wb
i was reading about temporary marriage in Islam, and this is what i came across,

“We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to Banu al-Mustaliq. We were suffering from the absence of our wives, so we decided to have temporary marriage with women but by observing 'azl (outside ejaculation). But we said, 'We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us - why not ask him?' So we asked Allah's Messenger and he said, 'It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will definitely be born (and nothing can prevent this from occurring).'” - Imam Bukhari ( Sahih al-Bukhari, “Book on Types of Selling”, Hadith 2077, “Setting Free”, Hadith 2356; Sahih Muslim, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 2599; al-Tirmidhi, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 1057; al-Nisa’i, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 3275; Abu Dawud, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 1855-1857; Ibn Majah, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 1916; Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Vol. 3, 88; Malik, “Book on Divorce”, Hadith 1090, al-Darami, “Book on Marriage”, Hadith 2126 and 2127)

Hope it helps

Narrated 'Ali:
I said to Ibn 'Abbas, "During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a and the eating of donkey's meat."
Sahih BukhariVolume 7, Book 62, Number 50

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 52:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa':
While we were in an army, Allah's Apostle came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it." Salama bin Al-Akwa' said: Allah's Apostle's said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: 'Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful)."


IN this narration Ali is clearly denouncing mutah and if we analyze the reason... It was permitted before but later abolished .. The expedition of BANI Mustaliq too place in abt 4 or 5 Hijrah whereas Khaibar took place in 7th Hijrah... So it was an abbrogation..

 

[Soldier313]

Narrated 'Ali:
I said to Ibn 'Abbas, "During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a and the eating of donkey's meat."
Sahih BukhariVolume 7, Book 62, Number 50

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 52:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa':
While we were in an army, Allah's Apostle came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it." Salama bin Al-Akwa' said: Allah's Apostle's said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: 'Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful)."


IN this narration Ali is clearly denouncing mutah and if we analyze the reason... It was permitted before but later abolished .. The expedition of BANI Mustaliq too place in abt 4 or 5 Hijrah whereas Khaibar took place in 7th Hijrah... So it was an abbrogation..

Imam Muslim narrates instances of temporary marriage being done at the time of the Prophet and gives clear reference that temporary marriage was lawful during the Prophet's time, the time of the first caliph Abu Bakr, and during part of the time of the second caliph—who was the one who prohibited it. Even after that time, it was still accepted by some Sunni scholars, such as al-Qurtubi who considered it as a lawful form of marriage and that it had been agreed upon by the predecessors and the successors (the salaf and the khalaf).-Tafsir al-Qurtubi, Vol. 5, 132; Tafsir al-Tabari

Truly Allah knows best

 

[badrobot14]

Imam Muslim narrates instances of temporary marriage being done at the time of the Prophet and gives clear reference that temporary marriage was lawful during the Prophet's time, the time of the first caliph Abu Bakr, and during part of the time of the second caliph—who was the one who prohibited it. Even after that time, it was still accepted by some Sunni scholars, such as al-Qurtubi who considered it as a lawful form of marriage and that it had been agreed upon by the predecessors and the successors (the salaf and the khalaf).-Tafsir al-Qurtubi, Vol. 5, 132; Tafsir al-Tabari

Truly Allah knows best

What is the ruling on mut’ah marriage?

Praise be to Allaah.
Mut’ah marriage means that a man marries a woman – either Muslim or from the people of the Book – and specifies how long the marriage will last, for example five days, or two months, or half a year, or many years. The beginning and end of the marriage are specified, and he pays her a small mahr (dowry), and after the specified time is over, the woman exits the marriage. This kind of marriage was permitted during the year of the Conquest of Makkah for three days, then it was disallowed and prohibited until the Day of Resurrection. This was reported by Muslim (1406).
The wife is the one with whom one stays on a long-term basis, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“… and live with them honourably …” [al-Nisaa’ 4:19], but in the case of mut’ah a man does not live with the woman for long.
The wife is the one who is called a wife in sharee’ah, with whom the relationship is long-lasting. She is mentioned in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
“Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame” [al-Mu’minoon 23:6] – the latter (a slave whom one’s right hand possesses) is not a wife according to sharee’ah, because her stay is limited to a short time.
The wife is the one who inherits from the husband, or from whom the husband inherits, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“In that which your wives leave, your share is a half if they have no child…” [al-Nisaa’ 4:12]. But the woman in a mut’ah marriage does not inherit, because she is not a wife, since she spends such a short time with the man.
On these grounds, Mut’ah marriage is considered to be zinaa (adultery or fornication), even if both parties consent to it, and even if it lasts for a long time, and even if the man pays the woman a mahr. There is nothing that has been reported in sharee’ah that shows that it may be permitted, apart from the brief period when it was allowed during the year of the conquest of Makkah. That was because at that time there were so many people who has newly embraced Islam and there was the fear that they might become apostates, because they had been used to committing zinaa during the Jaahiliyyah. So this kind of marriage was permitted for them for three days, then it was made haraam until the Day of Resurrection, as was narrated by Muslim, 1406.

From al-Lu’lu’ al-Makeen min Fataawa Fadeelat al-Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Jibreen, p. 41.


http://islamqa.info/en/ref/1373

 

[FrostFlash]

Imam Muslim narrates instances of temporary marriage being done at the time of the Prophet and gives clear reference that temporary marriage was lawful during the Prophet's time, the time of the first caliph Abu Bakr, and during part of the time of the second caliph—who was the one who prohibited it. Even after that time, it was still accepted by some Sunni scholars, such as al-Qurtubi who considered it as a lawful form of marriage and that it had been agreed upon by the predecessors and the successors (the salaf and the khalaf).-Tafsir al-Qurtubi, Vol. 5, 132; Tafsir al-Tabari

Truly Allah knows best

The fact that some Sahabah practiced it even after death of the Prophet is due to the sole reason of them not knowing about this tradition.. Later in Umar's Caliphate when the issue of companions performing Mutah was bought to his notice he immediately called for them and informed them abt this instruction of the Prophet.... and the instantly stopped the practice...

The Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah believe it is Haraam due to the edict of the Prophet and from Ijma of the Sahabah... And these are the primary sources of Islamic law...
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/20738/temporary marriage
And Allah knows best...

 

[Soldier313]

badrobot14 FrostFlash

Abu Nadhra said: Ibn Abbas (RA) recited the verse 4:24 with the addition of "to an appointed time". I said to him: "I did not read it this way." Ibn Abbas replied: "I swear by Allah, this is how Allah revealed it," and Ibn Abbas repeated this statement three times."​

References:

• Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the verse 4:24, v8, p177, Tradition #9038
• Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran narrating similar tradition from Jubair.

also:

Abu Nadhra said: I asked Ibn Abbas about temporary marriage (Mut'a of women). Ibn Abbas (RA) said: "Do you not read 'For whatever you enjoyed (Istamta'tum) them by the contract to an appointed time'?" I said: "If I would have read it this way, I wouldn't ask you (about temporary marriage)!" He replied: "Certainly the verse is about it."​

Reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the commentary of verse 4:24, v8, p177, Traditions #9036-9037
It is also narrated that:

al-Suddy (RA) said: "The verse 'So for those of whom you have had pleasure with them by the contract to an appointed time' is about Mut'a, that is, a man marries a woman with a provision (i.e., dowry) for a fixed period of time and makes two witnesses, and (if virgin,) he asks the permission of her guardian, and when the time period is expired, they should separate and they will not inherit each other."​

Reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the commentary of verse 4:24, v8, p176, Tradition #9033
Moreover:

Abu Karib said Yahya said: "I saw a book with Nasir in which it was: 'So for whatever you have had of pleasure with them by the contract to an appointed time.'"​

References:

• Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the verse 4:24, pp 176-177, Tradition #9035
• Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran narrating similar tradition from Ibn Abi Thabit.

Another companion, Ubay Ibn Ka'ab (who based on authentic Sunni sources the Prophet ordered the companions to trust him in the matter of Quran as one of the three trustee persons in this regard. See Sahih al-Bukhari, English, vol. 6, Tradition #521) also mentioned that additional phrase:

Qatadah (RA) said: "The way that Ubay Ibn Ka'ab recited the verse was: 'So for those of whom you enjoyed by the contractto an appointed time.'"​

Reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the commentary of verse 4:24, v8, p178, Tradition #9041
Beside the above mentioned authorities, there were others such as Sa'id Ibn Jubair, Abi Is'haq, and Umay who have also mentioned this extra phrase when reading this verse. Well, as I said, this extra phrase, though revealed, was only commentary and not a part of Quran. If one wants to write it, he should put it inside curly brackets showing that it is not a part of Quran. There are many of such extra phrases which can be found in both Shia and Sunni sources, but they are only the divine interpretation of the verses.


......Wallahu ya'lamu wa antum la ta'lamun
......and Allah kniws, and you do not know (2:216)
Allah knows best....

 

[FrostFlash]

^ The order of the Islamic laws is
1 the Quran
2 The Sunnah
3 Ijma of the Sahabah
4 Qiyas or analogy...

The Quran has no injunctions related to it...
The Sunnah as we discussed earlier.... clearly prohibits it.
The Ijma: Majority of the Sahabah declared it Haraam amongst the notable jurists like Ali and Umar Ibn Zubayr.....
The Qiyaas: Ibn Abbas practised Ijtihad in this case and so did the scholars you qouted... A Mujtahid is rewarded twic if his opinion was correct and once if wrong... Herein they were wrong. Maye Allah have mercy on them.

So since the Sunnah already prohibits it there is no need for Ijtihad as it has been made Haram crystal clear...As the Sunnah is a primary source of Allah and the Qiyas secondary and the majority of great jurists like Malik, Ibn Hanba etc disliked its frquent use....

 

[Soldier313]

^ The order of the Islamic laws is
1 the Quran
2 The Sunnah
3 Ijma of the Sahabah
4 Qiyas or analogy...

The Quran has no injunctions related to it...
The Sunnah as we discussed earlier.... clearly prohibits it.
The Ijma: Majority of the Sahabah declared it Haraam amongst the notable jurists like Ali and Umar Ibn Zubayr.....
The Qiyaas: Ibn Abbas practised Ijtihad in this case and so did the scholars you qouted... A Mujtahid is rewarded twic if his opinion was correct and once if wrong... Herein they were wrong. Maye Allah have mercy on them.

So since the Sunnah already prohibits it there is no need for Ijtihad as it has been made Haram crystal clear...As the Sunnah is a primary source of Allah and the Qiyas secondary and the majority of great jurists like Malik, Ibn Hanba etc disliked its frquent use....

The Qur'an: as i cited above, the qur'an has indications towards temporary marriage according to some prominent Sunni scholars

The sunnah: We obtain Sunnah from hadith which may be dhaeef, as there are contradictions therein (within sahih bukhari and sahih muslim) as in the issue about temporary marriage being allowed before the conquest of Makkah and not after.
Also, on reading this hadith, i believe Ali bin Abi Talib never stated that Mut'ah was haram

"Ali (RA) said: The Mut'a is a mercy from Allah to his servants. If it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin of) fornication except a (Shaqi/Shafa)."​

Sunni references:

• Bidayat al-Mujtahid, by Ibn Rushd, v2, p58
• al-Nihaya, by Ibn al-Athir, v2, p249
• al-Faiq, by al-Zamakhshari, v1, p331
• Lisan Al-Arab, Ibn Mandhoor, v19, p166
• Taj al-Aroos, v10, p200
• Fat'h al-Bari, v9, p141
• Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v8, p293
• Al-Iqd Al-Fareed, v2, p139
• Umadat al-Qari, by al-'Ayni, v8, p310, (reports Mut'a was Halaal at the time of the Prophet + Abu Bakr + some of the Umar's period.)

The ijma: The fact is that No companion ever mentioned it Haraam until AFTER the rule of Umar. It was then, that some started saying that it is made Haraam.
Even if we suppose that the majority of companions said something, this does not oblige us to follow them. What we are supposed to follow are the words of Allah in Quran and the Sunna of the Prophet (PBUH&HF). The Shi'a scholars also agree on the validity of Ijmaa' (consensus), not as a source of religion, but rather as a fact. Ijmaa' means what is unanimously held by ALL Muslims. This fact is taken from the Sunna and is due to the tradition of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) where he said:

"My community shall not unite on something wrong."​

This proves the fact that even if most of Muslims go wrong in some issues there should exist one or some individuals who do not join them in that regard as they might have evidence at hand from Quran and Sunna regarding those issues.
It is clear that Ijmaa' does not give any weight to the majority. In fact, it gives more weight to the minority because even if one scholar disagrees, the Ijmaa' (consensus) is broken!
There is no Ijma' in the subject of Mut'a. Most of the companions and their disciples did not agree with its prohibition by Umar. But only some of them dared to raise their voice.

The Qiyaas: i have no opinion here since i am not very well-aversed with the issue of Qiyaas


May Allah guide us.

 

[FrostFlash]

As a Hafiz myself I find no indications of permissibility of Mutah evr present in the Quran...

As for Ijma you have it all wrong...
The concept is that if there is a situation completely different, and there are no specific laws.. the most learned scholars are to deabte and the ruling is deduced from the Quran.... Most times majority is considered but sometimes the Caliph's decision is the word... And at Umar's time majority of the Sahabah agreed to this and it backed by Umar May Allah be pleased with him as well...

And as I mentioned earlier... the need for Ijma arises only if there is no clear cut proof from Quran and Sunnah... And since there is a clear cut ruling on it in the Sunnah so Ijma is not needed at all... The Sunnah is sufficient... Caliph Umar only was confirming from all sahabah in that meeting and majority conformed to the Prophet's ruling...
So the other references you quoted are of no use at all in this case... isnce the Prophets word is more supreme after Allah....

And as of the saying of Ali that is for sure a Shiite tradition which Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamma donot agree with


On second thoughts it would be wise to stop the debate here... We have discussed quite a lot.... And futher pursuing could result in loss of order in the forum which i DONOT want to initiate....

 

[Soldier313]

The issue about you being a hafidh has nothing to do with indications towards Mut'ah in the Qur'an, kindly refer to the verse i cited previously

The concept of Ijma'a as you stated is not needed at all

About the saying of Imam Ali (as), i suggest you kindly reread the citations i provided, they are SUNNI citations:

• Bidayat al-Mujtahid, by Ibn Rushd, v2, p58
• al-Nihaya, by Ibn al-Athir, v2, p249
• al-Faiq, by al-Zamakhshari, v1, p331
• Lisan Al-Arab, Ibn Mandhoor, v19, p166
• Taj al-Aroos, v10, p200
• Fat'h al-Bari, v9, p141
• Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v8, p293
• Al-Iqd Al-Fareed, v2, p139
• Umadat al-Qari, by al-'Ayni, v8, p310, (reports Mut'a was Halaal at the time of the Prophet + Abu Bakr + some of the Umar's period.)

i don't understand how it can bring a loss of order dear friend, we are discussing on mutual terms here, and it is an issue i believe many people would want to read and learn about! But if you don't want to continue, I'm absolutely okay with that.

 

[FrostFlash]

The issue about you being a hafidh has nothing to do with indications towards Mut'ah in the Qur'an, kindly refer to the verse i cited previously

The concept of Ijma'a as you stated is not needed at all

About the saying of Imam Ali (as), i suggest you kindly reread the citations i provided, they are SUNNI citations:

• Bidayat al-Mujtahid, by Ibn Rushd, v2, p58
• al-Nihaya, by Ibn al-Athir, v2, p249
• al-Faiq, by al-Zamakhshari, v1, p331
• Lisan Al-Arab, Ibn Mandhoor, v19, p166
• Taj al-Aroos, v10, p200
• Fat'h al-Bari, v9, p141
• Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v8, p293
• Al-Iqd Al-Fareed, v2, p139
• Umadat al-Qari, by al-'Ayni, v8, p310, (reports Mut'a was Halaal at the time of the Prophet + Abu Bakr + some of the Umar's period.)

i don't understand how it can bring a loss of order dear friend, we are discussing on mutual terms here, and it is an issue i believe many people would want to read and learn about! But if you don't want to continue, I'm absolutely okay with that.

Clearly they are weak and fabricated ahadith and ppl should induldge in more fruitful discussions like in Tazkiya e Nafs as Mutah does not improve the spiritual and moral caharcter of a person... also i donot want this thread to become a sunni shia war... lets cut off the topic....

 

[Soldier313]

Clearly they are weak and fabricated ahadith

i suggest you cary out some research on the issue before claiming that the hadith are weak and fabricated. I doubt you have knowledge about the authenticity of these hadith, it would be wise to go and look through them.

 

[Soldier313]

Clearly they are weak and fabricated ahadith and ppl should induldge in more fruitful discussions like in Tazkiya e Nafs as Mutah does not improve the spiritual and moral caharcter of a person... also i donot want this thread to become a sunni shia war... lets cut off the topic....

lol...i didn't see you had edited your post
well my friend I absolutely agree that we should have other discussions about purification of the soul
and just btw this is not a sunni shi'a war...........there are sunni sources permitting Mut'ah too apart from the Shi'a
we are discussing on MUTUAL terms which is not war.........